tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post319735832834137978..comments2023-10-09T11:03:53.644+01:00Comments on openrsa: Open Source for civic innovation?Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17481419820388977009noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-70392980609595509892007-12-06T17:33:00.000+00:002007-12-06T17:33:00.000+00:00I've sort of cross-posted to the other one - RSANe...I've sort of cross-posted to the other one - RSANetworks? - 'cos this is as much as about having needs drive the functionality as the other way around.<BR/><BR/>So since my thinking kind of developed between them, here's from what I've posted there, if you see what I mean, rather than duplicating what I posted there from here (I hope that hadn't lost you ....).<BR/><BR/>In fact by reposting Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052759853096779693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-69633319290313023902007-12-06T09:15:00.000+00:002007-12-06T09:15:00.000+00:00Sorry - I should have :-) after the comment on pla...Sorry - I should have :-) after the comment on plain and simple English.<BR/><BR/>I think the difficulties are over-estimated. A working example - pursuing the open structure model - would be the Internet Engineering Task Force, and their working groups. See http://www.ietf.org/overview.html for an overview.<BR/><BR/>It's 'simple' practical, and task / objective oriented. Having worked in one of Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052759853096779693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-70947687681815628252007-12-06T01:42:00.000+00:002007-12-06T01:42:00.000+00:00Firstly, sorry for the socio-speak. I plead guilty...Firstly, sorry for the socio-speak. I plead guilty, and will try not to re-offend.<BR/><BR/>Second, yes, diversity is valuable, both as a means to an end and as a benefit in itself.<BR/><BR/>Finally, and most challengingly, "what are the conditions, processes that are needed to gain benefit from the diversity of disciplines and interests in the Fellowship, in the pursuit of civic innovation David Jenningshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05003627933176529152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-54720847042685919962007-12-05T10:40:00.000+00:002007-12-05T10:40:00.000+00:00Yesterday's presenter has mailed me as follows.How...Yesterday's presenter has mailed me as follows.<BR/><BR/>How can this be followed up? Whether by including Prof Wilkinson etc in on-line discussion, developing the project, inviting to speak / present etc?<BR/><BR/>Dominic<BR/><BR/><BR/>thanks for telling me about related RSA interests. <BR/><BR/>snip<BR/><BR/>Some of the RSA web sites you mentioned open only to members so I could'nt read all, Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052759853096779693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-53305658133496387912007-12-05T10:34:00.000+00:002007-12-05T10:34:00.000+00:00David(s)I think diversity is very definitely the b...David(s)<BR/><BR/>I think diversity is very definitely the benefit, from the Fellows as well as the wider world.Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052759853096779693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-81261376882809773992007-12-05T10:19:00.000+00:002007-12-05T10:19:00.000+00:00David, Dominic. Is the question for RSA Networks t...David, Dominic. Is the question for RSA Networks this: what are the conditions, processes that are needed to gain benefit from the diversity of disciplines and interests in the Fellowship, in the pursuit of civic innovation projects?<BR/>Or is the diversity not such a benefit?davidwilcoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08041525420720655918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-84133686274911269412007-12-05T09:43:00.000+00:002007-12-05T09:43:00.000+00:00We seem to be at risk of disappearing into socio-s...We seem to be at risk of disappearing into socio-speak and areas rather than sticking to plain English.<BR/><BR/>Of course - it seems to me - people from different areas will have different concepts, understanding, definitions, names etc.<BR/><BR/>Part of collaborating is discussing those, and arriving at some mutual understanding if not agreement.<BR/><BR/>Part of of being open in tools as well Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052759853096779693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-39744769650862996142007-12-05T01:16:00.000+00:002007-12-05T01:16:00.000+00:00I'm not sure now whether it's wiser to keep this r...I'm not sure now whether it's wiser to keep this running or let it fade, but I'll give it one more crack and then we can see whether it's worth persisting...<BR/><BR/>The challenge with opening up conversations and explorations with people from different sectors and disciplines is that different disciplines don't see problems in the same way. Their conceptual toolkits mean that one sees a nail inDavid Jenningshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05003627933176529152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-65783158498875858062007-11-27T08:26:00.000+00:002007-11-27T08:26:00.000+00:00David J - thanks for keeping this running. Your ch...David J - thanks for keeping this running. Your checks on broad-brush over-enthusiam for "open" should help us focus on what's the new ways of doing things that could be really helpful in RSA Networks. Is it, in part, being prepared to open-up conversations and explorations with people from different sectors and disciplines to tackle "civic" issues innovatively? If so, will there be enough energydavidwilcoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08041525420720655918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-47435273535421513552007-11-23T13:56:00.000+00:002007-11-23T13:56:00.000+00:00Cheers, David (and sorry for the delay in respondi...Cheers, David (and sorry for the delay in responding). I'm all for getting all the value we can out of "open source thinking".. I guess I'm just wary of trying to apply it beyond the circumstances where it works well. To take your "if you have done that, I don't need to" case, open source works well if the "that" is an easily defined problem with clear success criteria (e.g. make this software David Jenningshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05003627933176529152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1601693966601164521.post-35115351577631218282007-11-22T07:58:00.000+00:002007-11-22T07:58:00.000+00:00How might peer-to-peer networks lead to civic inno...How might peer-to-peer networks lead to civic innovation projects? - that's one of the issues your helpful check on open source read-across throws up for me. Thanks David. Personally I'm looking for a peg on which to hang ideas about about open source thinking (if you have done that I don't need to), openness of power-holding organisations to collaboration, and ways to organise effectively in davidwilcoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08041525420720655918noreply@blogger.com